Need help with CG and Profession costs

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Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:05 pm

I'm currently working on a character generator for TDE. Recently I've entered all professions and their variants. Currently I'm trying to find any errors I made transfering everything from the rules into my application and could use some help.

Here is the list of Professions where my CG caluclates a different AP Value compared to what is in the Core Rules. I took the values from the German PDF Core Rules. I would be grateful if someone could help me find the errors here.

The lists are not in the order printed in the TDE core rules because this is based on the German rules, so Skills are not listed in English alphabetical order.

Updates:
April 15: Changed IC of Blinding Flashfrom B to A. This changes the AP Value of the White Mage. (reported by user Elytherion. Thanks)

What to look out for?
  • The cost of a special ability could be wrong.
  • A skill rating could be wrong.
  • A skill could be missing or a skill was added.
  • The colum of a skill could be wrong (A-D)
  • The value given as in "the Core Rules" could be wrong because of a typo on my side when I entered the value.
  • something else?

As errors are found I will update this list. So nobody has to search through the text.

Guard/Overseer
235 in Core Rules This is from the German rules. In the English rules it is 234
234 calculated by me
246 for Profession Guard
-20 for no Inured to Encumbrance I
6 for Intimidation (B) 7 instead of 4
6 for Tracking (C) 2
-4 for Driving (A) 0 instead of 4

Guard/Jailer
240 in Core Rules This is from the German rules. In the English rules it is 239
239 calculated by me
246 for Profession Guard
-20 for no Inured to Encumbrance I
6 for Intimidation (B) 7 instead of 4
4 for Persuasion (B) 2
3 for Ropes (A) 7 instead of 4

Guard/Tollkeeper
257 in Core Rules This is from the German rules. In the English rules it is 258
258 calculated by me
246 for Profession Guard
12 for Empathy (C) 7 instead of 3

Hunter/Big Game Hunter
264 in Core Rules
260 calculated by me
246 for Profession Hunter
8 for Crossbows (B) 10 Its 12 in the English rules, which would make the calculation correct, but it is 10 in the German PDF
12 for Self Control (D) 6 instead of 3
-6 for Plant Lore (C) 3 instead of 5

Rogue/Thief
218 in Core Rules
221 calculated by me
212 for Profession Rogue
6 for Pickpocket (B) 7 instead of 4
-3 for Streetwise (C) 6 instead of 7
6 for Orienting (B) 7 instead of 4

Rogue/Cat Burglar
221 in Core Rules
225 calculated by me
212 for Profession Rogue
8 for Climbing (B) 7 instead of 3
-4 for Pickpocket (B) 2 instead of 4
9 for Pick locks (C) 7 instead of 4

Lowangen (gray)
310 in Core Rules
314 calculated by me
12 for Languages and Literacy totaling 12 AP
14 for Binding of the Staff I added 4 AP here for buying back the 2 permanent AE
6 for Polearms (C) 8
8 for Body Control (D) 2
12 for Self Control (D) 3
12 for Perception (D) 3
4 for Etiquette (B) 2
12 for Empathy (C) 4
12 for Willpower (D) 3
6 for Orienting (B) 3
6 for Survival (C) 2
8 for Geography (B) 4
8 for History (B) 4
8 for Religion (B) 4
18 for Magical Lore (C) 6
4 for Math (A) 4
6 for Myths & Legends (B) 3
6 for Sphere Lore (B) 3
12 for Alchemy (C) 4
8 for Treat Poison (B) 4
10 for Treat Disease (B) 5
16 for Treat Wounds (D) 4
4 for Artistic Ability (A) 4
1 for One cantrip from the following list: Lucky Fingers, Handwarmer, Siren Call, Rainbow Eyes, Signature
18 for Armatrutz (C) 5
10 for Bannbaladin (B) 4
21 for Corpofesso (C) 6
14 for Paralysis (B) 6
10 for Penetrizzel (B) 4
18 for Salander (C) 5
10 for Visibili (B) 4

Gareth (white)
310 in Core Rules
316 calculated by me
10 for Languages and Literacy totaling 10 AP
14 for Binding of the Staff I added 4 AP here for buying back the 2 permanent AE
4 for Daggers (B) 8
12 for Swords (C) 10
12 for Polearms (C) 10
12 for Body Control (D) 3
4 for Feat of Strength (B) 2
20 for Self Control (D) 5
8 for Perception (D) 2
6 for Etiquette (B) 3
20 for Willpower (D) 5
4 for Orienting (B) 2
6 for Animal Lore (C) 2
4 for Geography (B) 2
8 for History (B) 4
10 for Religion (B) 5
15 for Magical Lore (C) 5
6 for Math (A) 6
6 for Law (A) 6
6 for Myths & Legends (B) 3
6 for Sphere Lore (B) 3
12 for Alchemy (C) 4
12 for Treat Wounds (D) 3
4 for Artistic Ability (A) 4
1 for One cantrip from the following list: Cooldown, Firefinger, Snap, Signature, Stay Dry
18 for Armatrutz (C) 5
7 for Blinding Flash (A) 6
18 for Fulminictus (C) 5
10 for Gardianum (B) 4
21 for Ignifaxius (C) 6
10 for Paralysis (B) 4
10 for Psychostabilis (B) 4

Blessed One of Boron/Servant of Bishdariel
293 in Core Rules In the English Rules it is 300 AP
292 calculated by me
285 for Profession Blessed One of Boron
3 for Astronomy (A) 7 instead of 4
4 for Treat Soul (B) 6 instead of 4

Blessed One of Hesinde
310 in Core Rules
312 calculated by me
16 for Languages and Literacy totaling 16 AP
2 for Skill Specialization Religion
4 for Daggers (B) 8
6 for Polearms (C) 8
8 for Self Control (D) 2
20 for Perception (D) 5
12 for Persuasion (B) 6
8 for Etiquette (B) 4
12 for Empathy (C) 4
6 for Fast-Talk (C) 2
24 for Willpower (D) 6
12 for Plant Lore (C) 4
9 for Animal Lore (C) 3
8 for Geography (B) 4
10 for History (B) 5
12 for Religion (B) 6
9 for Magical Lore (C) 3
8 for Mechanic (B) 4
5 for Math (A) 5
3 for Law (A) 3
6 for Myths & Legends (B) 3
6 for Sphere Lore (B) 3
3 for Astronomy (A) 3
12 for Alchemy (C) 4
4 for Treat Disease (B) 2
8 for Treat Wounds (D) 2
12 for The Twelve Blessings
6 for Decipher Text 5
14 for Peaceful Aura 6
4 for Divine Guidance 3
24 for Protection from Magic 7
7 for See Magic 6
12 for Bless Object 5

Blessed One of Hesinde/Pastori
327 in Core Rules
329 calculated by me This is acutally correct if the base cost above are calculated correctly, as the difference above is +2 AP
312 for Profession Blessed One of Hesinde
4 for History (B) 7 instead of 5
9 for Magical Lore (C) 6 instead of 3
4 for Sphere Lore (B) 5 instead of 3

Blessed One of Hesinde/Satri
320 in Core Rules
322 calculated by me This is acutally correct if the base cost above are calculated correctly, as the difference above is +2 AP
312 for Profession Blessed One of Hesinde
4 for Brawling (B) 8
4 for Religion (B) 8 instead of 6
2 for Law (A) 5 instead of 3

Blessed One of Rondra/Salutist
295 in Core Rules
296 calculated by me
283 for Profession Blessed One of Rondra
4 for Warfare (B) 7 instead of 5
9 for Magical Lore (C) 3
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Wed Feb 22, 2017 6:06 pm

7 for Blinding Flash (B) 6


It's not 7 but 14 AP.
But then cost is 323 AP not 310. I check three times and I'm always getting 323 AP. Not sure what I'm doing wrong.

About Rogue/thief, your calculations seems ok.
Maybe that are typos in the book.
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:52 am

Thanks for doing the caculation and finding the error in Blinding Flash. I entered it as a Imporovement Cost A spell instead of B in my CG. The Improvment Cost columns above are added manually by me to the text and don't come from my CG. With this corrected, I too get 323 AP for the White Mage. That makes it even wronger. :(

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:19 am

You welcome Bern. I'll gladly help with further calculations if I have time. Just ask.

About White mage and Rogue/Thief, maybe someone could check German book and forum. Maybe it's already reported as an error.
Or maybe Eric can check with German crew.
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:23 am

I only check the values against the German and English PDFs. I also asked now for help in the German Ulisses forum.

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:26 am

I updated the initial post with a list of all the Profession where I calculate a different AP Value compared to the current PDF of the German Core Rules.

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:26 am

I'll check later as right now I'm going to paint a living room (walls) :)
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Sat Feb 25, 2017 6:49 am

Thanks, we are not in a hurry, so take your time.

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Sat Feb 25, 2017 5:55 pm

I created tool for profession calculations in Excel. I calculated all professions you asked for and some is ok with English core book and some are not.
I don't have any energy left in me to create a comparative table so please see for yourself.
You can use this excel tool for further checks.
I checked tool twice for errors and I think everything is ok with calculations I put in there. Tool is based on English core book, so if there is some error with skill improvement cost, it is also in the tool.

Here is link

Also I think it would be nice to report to Eric all errors you found.
Hope that helps.
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:27 am

Thanks a lot for the work you put into this. Your sheet calculates the same values as my CG. The only difference is in the rogue profession, but that is based on a difference in willpower between the German and English Core Rules. The Willpower is 5 in Englisch and 4 in German. This seems to be a error in the English rules, because with Willpower 5 the cost should be 216 not 212.

There is one big error in your sheet though. You entered the values of the Guildless Mage instead those of the Gray Mage. Could you fix this please? I don't own Excel and when I edit the fields in Libreoffice I get an error.

Thanks again for the work so far.


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