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English Order of Publication

Postby JohnK » Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:16 pm

Hullo, folks,

Okay, I've read the English main The Dark Eye Core Rules book twice now...

I'm planning to read the (English) game products and supplements in the order in which they were published. So... what should I be reading next? (I haven't been able to find a list for the English books and materials in the order of publication, so if anyone has such a list or knows where I can find one, please get back to me on this.)

Thanks, in advance. :)
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby HEX the Dark » Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:19 pm

You should read the Almanach next.
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby JohnK » Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:47 pm

Hullo, HEX the Dark,

HEX the Dark wrote:You should read the Almanach next.


Out of curiosity, why the Almanac? (Aside from the obvious, of course.)

That book was published after several other materials for the game in the English edition, so wouldn't it make sense to read them in the order the material came out?
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby HEX the Dark » Sat Sep 30, 2017 4:19 pm

JohnK wrote:Hullo, HEX the Dark,

HEX the Dark wrote:You should read the Almanach next.


Out of curiosity, why the Almanac? (Aside from the obvious, of course.)

That book was published after several other materials for the game in the English edition, so wouldn't it make sense to read them in the order the material came out?


Because it has the most material/informtion and is the logical choice. You have learned th core rules, now it's time for the core fluff, so to say.
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby JohnK » Sat Sep 30, 2017 6:36 pm

Hullo, HEX the Dark,

HEX the Dark wrote:
JohnK wrote:Out of curiosity, why the Almanac? (Aside from the obvious, of course.)

That book was published after several other materials for the game in the English edition, so wouldn't it make sense to read them in the order the material came out?


Because it has the most material/informtion and is the logical choice. You have learned th core rules, now it's time for the core fluff, so to say.


Hmm, makes as much sense as anything else, though I'm going to have to read it in sections.

Hopefully, I'll get some ideas for scenarios for the game out of that, if I'm not overwhelmed with all the world info.
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby HEX the Dark » Sat Sep 30, 2017 7:59 pm

JohnK wrote:Hullo, HEX the Dark,

HEX the Dark wrote:
JohnK wrote:Out of curiosity, why the Almanac? (Aside from the obvious, of course.)

That book was published after several other materials for the game in the English edition, so wouldn't it make sense to read them in the order the material came out?


Because it has the most material/informtion and is the logical choice. You have learned th core rules, now it's time for the core fluff, so to say.


Hmm, makes as much sense as anything else, though I'm going to have to read it in sections.

Hopefully, I'll get some ideas for scenarios for the game out of that, if I'm not overwhelmed with all the world info.


What else are you gonna read? The adventures are really specialized info, the region books are also quite specialized. You better start with tue general information and read up the rest than the other way round.
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby Eric USNA » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:58 pm

I would agree that order of publication isn't really essential for the core game information. The only places where that really matters is in adventures that build off of each other (notably The Thorwal Drum followed by the Theater Knights campaign, and now Turnip Harvest, which happens in the middle of that). However, adventures will almost always include text to indicate not only when they take place but when there is important material in other adventures. So if you just want to know the important information for a given adventure, that's usually right there in the book.

Really, the reason to read the Almanac first is that it catches you up on the 30 years of history that builds into the 5th Edition. Since none of that previous information is available in English (for the most part), that summary is what you need.

After the Almanac, I would read Starless Sky, since that covers the major events happening right now from a bunch of different perspectives.

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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby JohnK » Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:55 pm

Hullo, Hex the Dark,

HEX the Dark wrote:
JohnK wrote:Hmm, makes as much sense as anything else, though I'm going to have to read it in sections.

Hopefully, I'll get some ideas for scenarios for the game out of that, if I'm not overwhelmed with all the world info.


What else are you gonna read? The adventures are really specialized info, the region books are also quite specialized. You better start with tue general information and read up the rest than the other way round.


Hmm, interesting point of view. I don't consider adventures to be specialised information, to be honest, as they are...adventures. Region books are very specialised, I'd agree, but so far there isn't one out (at least not until the Warring Kingdoms print books come out), and the rest of the game material is literally almost filler material (or so it feels to me) until more of the harder core material for the regions comes out. I read the six Heroic Works adventures (though what rankled me there was the reference to several of the Aventurian Heralds), and the adventures are quite nice and show the distinct types of themes that one can run game with in The Dark Eye.

So that said, I will probably take your advice and read the Almanac next. :)
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby JohnK » Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:06 pm

Hullo, Eric,

Eric USNA wrote:I would agree that order of publication isn't really essential for the core game information.


While this is pretty much true for the most part, one of the things it misses is simply this: Game products are released into the market over a period of time, and one gets to read the material published as it comes out, giving one some time to absorb some of the detail before the next product hits the store shelves. But when you come into a game a year or more after the publication of the rulebook, when other products have been published, one can get lost in something that feels like an info dump. Or overwhelmed by some of the material as I felt i was when reading the Core Rules book.

Eric USNA wrote:The only places where that really matters is in adventures that build off of each other (notably The Thorwal Drum followed by the Theater Knights campaign, and now Turnip Harvest, which happens in the middle of that). However, adventures will almost always include text to indicate not only when they take place but when there is important material in other adventures. So if you just want to know the important information for a given adventure, that's usually right there in the book.


This is something that I've really come to appreciate with the adventures, primarily the Heroic Works stuff (which are the only adventures I've read to this point, and the QS booklet, of course).

Btw, Eric, a question about something here: Is the game start date for the English edition 1038 FB, or is it supposed to be 1040 FB (as I read somewhere that I can't remember)?

Eric USNA wrote:Really, the reason to read the Almanac first is that it catches you up on the 30 years of history that builds into the 5th Edition. Since none of that previous information is available in English (for the most part), that summary is what you need.


That is probably one of the best reasons I've heard for reading the Almanac that I've heard to this point. :) I have to admit that one of things that intimidates me somewhat is the history of the game world, given how detailed it is and how relevant it is (which is not something that a lot of rpgs out there pay attention to). So okay, you've convinced me. :)

Eric USNA wrote:After the Almanac, I would read Starless Sky, since that covers the major events happening right now from a bunch of different perspectives.


I had wondered about the importance and the relevance of the Starless Sky anthology of stories. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)
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Re: English Order of Publication

Postby HEX the Dark » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:59 am

JohnK wrote:Hullo, Hex the Dark,

HEX the Dark wrote:
JohnK wrote:Hmm, makes as much sense as anything else, though I'm going to have to read it in sections.

Hopefully, I'll get some ideas for scenarios for the game out of that, if I'm not overwhelmed with all the world info.


What else are you gonna read? The adventures are really specialized info, the region books are also quite specialized. You better start with tue general information and read up the rest than the other way round.


Hmm, interesting point of view. I don't consider adventures to be specialised information, to be honest, as they are...adventures. Region books are very specialised, I'd agree, but so far there isn't one out (at least not until the Warring Kingdoms print books come out), and the rest of the game material is literally almost filler material (or so it feels to me) until more of the harder core material for the regions comes out. I read the six Heroic Works adventures (though what rankled me there was the reference to several of the Aventurian Heralds), and the adventures are quite nice and show the distinct types of themes that one can run game with in The Dark Eye.

So that said, I will probably take your advice and read the Almanac next. :)


Many of the adventures offer detailed information about the setting or place they play in. E.g. "the red choir" (cue russian army music :P), part 6 of the Theaterknights-Campaign has a very in depth description of Festum.

JohnK wrote:
Eric USNA wrote:Eric USNA wrote:
After the Almanac, I would read Starless Sky, since that covers the major events happening right now from a bunch of different perspectives.



I had wondered about the importance and the relevance of the Starless Sky anthology of stories. Thanks for clearing that up for me. :)


Yes! Go read it! It's really good (one of the best TDE-books written in years if you ask me) full of cool stories and hints and mythological stuff.
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