Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

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Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby JohnK » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:25 pm

Hullo, folks,

I would just like a clarification on the Scholar Skill, and possibly the Science Skill).

Does a player take a specialty with the Scholar Skill, so that the study of history would be listed as "Scholar (History) 3" or does one not add in the specialty? And if so, does that mean the character has to have each Scholar specialty as a separate Scholar Skill?

Also, does the same apply to the Science Skill?
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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby Staffan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 4:44 pm

JohnK wrote:Hullo, folks,

I would just like a clarification on the Scholar Skill, and possibly the Science Skill).

Does a player take a specialty with the Scholar Skill, so that the study of history would be listed as "Scholar (History) 3" or does one not add in the specialty? And if so, does that mean the character has to have each Scholar specialty as a separate Scholar Skill?

Also, does the same apply to the Science Skill?

I think if they needed specialization, they would say so (the way Profession does). Scholar is just a general humanities education, while Science is general scientific stuff.

Think Star Trek. Lt Cmdr LaForge is just as good at realigning warp coils as analyzing material stresses as determining what wavelength something's oscillating on. He has the skill Science.

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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby JohnK » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:13 pm

Hullo, Staffan,

Staffan wrote:
JohnK wrote:Hullo, folks,

I would just like a clarification on the Scholar Skill, and possibly the Science Skill).

Does a player take a specialty with the Scholar Skill, so that the study of history would be listed as "Scholar (History) 3" or does one not add in the specialty? And if so, does that mean the character has to have each Scholar specialty as a separate Scholar Skill?

Also, does the same apply to the Science Skill?


I think if they needed specialization, they would say so (the way Profession does). Scholar is just a general humanities education, while Science is general scientific stuff.


That's what I would have thought, too, though the write-up on the skill in the Beta is unclear about this, and bear in mind that old TORG did have specialisations for for the Scholar Skill. (And yes, I know this is new TORG, so...)

Staffan wrote:Think Star Trek. Lt Cmdr LaForge is just as good at realigning warp coils as analyzing material stresses as determining what wavelength something's oscillating on. He has the skill Science.


Actually, I would disagree with you here. Most of that would be under Profession (Starship Engineer) though the last might be under Science.

Anyway, I'll just wait to hear the official call on this one. :)
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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby TorgHacker » Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:24 pm

JohnK wrote:Hullo, folks,

I would just like a clarification on the Scholar Skill, and possibly the Science Skill).

Does a player take a specialty with the Scholar Skill, so that the study of history would be listed as "Scholar (History) 3" or does one not add in the specialty? And if so, does that mean the character has to have each Scholar specialty as a separate Scholar Skill?

Also, does the same apply to the Science Skill?


No to both. The specialty aspect has been diverted into the profession skill.

LaForge probably has Science +5, Profession (Starship Engineer) +8 with a Mastery Perk. :-)

Though odds are, the skill list would be different. :-)
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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby JohnK » Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:22 pm

Hullo, TorgHacker,

TorgHacker wrote:
JohnK wrote:Hullo, folks,

I would just like a clarification on the Scholar Skill, and possibly the Science Skill).

Does a player take a specialty with the Scholar Skill, so that the study of history would be listed as "Scholar (History) 3" or does one not add in the specialty? And if so, does that mean the character has to have each Scholar specialty as a separate Scholar Skill?

Also, does the same apply to the Science Skill?


No to both. The specialty aspect has been diverted into the profession skill.


Ah, that's what you've done you sneaky people! Okay, I can live with this. :)

TorgHacker wrote:LaForge probably has Science +5, Profession (Starship Engineer) +8 with a Mastery Perk. :-)

Though odds are, the skill list would be different. :-)


When it's phrased and rules parsed that way, I can dig it, and I can understand it perfectly.

Though it will make it interesting to convert some of the old TORG characters with the Scholar specialisations.

Thanks for answering the question, Dean. :)
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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby Stormchild » Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:20 pm

Ok, there comes another house rule for me. I will certainly make some different scholar skills based on broad categories of education (for the relevant realm) i.e. the players tell me what background training their character should have and write down scholar (relevant background training), f.i. the elven scholar from aysle will have scholar (wood elf) while the Core Earther with a high school education will have scholar (high school). The elf will be able to name all plants, all animals and all gods from Aysle while the Core Earther will be able to drive a car, name all characters of game of thrones and calculate income tax.
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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby Rabbitball » Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:48 pm

I know plenty of college graduates who can't calculate income tax... :x
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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby TiaMaster » Sat Aug 05, 2017 6:11 pm

With all the skill pruning in TE I would have thought Scholar and Profession would have been combined.

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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby The Aubergine Llama » Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:22 am

My understanding is that scholar and science are supposed to used for generalists and polymaths. A person with adds in scholar knows more that the average person about all the humanities, and the same with adds in science and the sciences. Profession skills, on the other hand, can overlap with scholar or science, but would not have the same broad range of knowledge - however, they would have, at the least, more knowledge of networking matters such as who is currently important in the profession, which academic journals are the best, who holds which controversial ideas that might be relevant, etc.

The most common kind of fictional character with high adds in scholar is the medieval fantasy wizard. Characters with high science adds are fairly common in adventure science fiction - a lot of SF series have one so that they don't need multiple characters for the technobabble. I would guess that people with more than +1 or maybe +2 in either are incredibly rare on Real Earth, and not very common on Core Earth (but more frequent, because action movie).

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Re: Clarification on Scholar Skill, Please

Postby TorgHacker » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:59 am

This is correct.

Science and scholar represent broad knowledge. Profession is about specific knowledge, particularly about doing something as opposed to knowing.
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