sandchigger wrote: Gargoyle wrote:
The social axiom of the Living Land does not allow for groups larger than a tribe.
How does any LL inhabitant even conceive of an army, much less have the ability to organize one?
Tribes can be pretty big. The organization is still very simple.
No, not using the social axiom as presented, they really can't. They do not have the ability to organize over a large area.
Yes, they really can for several reasons:
1) The social axiom does support it.
Social 7: "Commerce and differentiation of labor develop. Specialized roles like tradesmen, soldiers
, and slaves are supported."
So armies are supported...just not "standing armies" as that would be Social 8. And tribes can be large. It's just that there isn't a bureaucracy to facilitate it.
2) The very high spirit axiom compensates for the low social axiom. Miracles can whip edeinos into a fanatical fury and can improve communications and control beyond what we can even do with high Technology sometimes.
3) Baruk Kaah and Rec Pakken are providing leadership way beyond what is normally possible. A High Lord and Darkness Device by definition break the rules.
4) The fiction is better for it. I think without the ability to have mass armies of edeinos, some interesting scenes are not possible. This is really the most important reason for the rationalization.
I think it's important to consider the low Social axiom though. They may be able to mount massive offenses now and then, but they should be easily routed when faced with serious opposition, and shouldn't be able to coordinate well all the time. Massive casualties should be the norm, reducing their efficiency over the long term. They shouldn't have a command structure beyond the Saar and his lieutenants. They shouldn't have any long term plans, nothing further in the future than "tomorrow" for instance (though BK can of course break that rule personally). But I disagree that they can't have an army and can't organize somewhat over a large area, it's just not going to be like a modern Core Earth army. It's going to be weird and chaotic.