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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Gargoyle » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:05 pm

Yoric wrote:
Wakshani wrote:
Gargoyle wrote:Even worse, production lines do not exist. (p15)


True!

I should have pulled it back to more 1850-era.

Ever read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"?

Because it's *ugly* in Cyberpapacy factories.


Oooohhh... that's very interesting.

There is a difficulty, though. Before production lines, when factories were really workshops, working in one required extremely qualified skills. That's probably not quite as true in the Cyberpapacy, because you're not expected to care about losing life or limb, but still.

How do Sunday workers cope with this? Are they only assigned dumb labor? Are skills uploaded?


Since tech is divinely inspired, I'm guessing they pray. There's no need for a game mechanic as this is in the background.
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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Yoric » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:10 pm

Gargoyle wrote:
Yoric wrote:There is a difficulty, though. Before production lines, when factories were really workshops, working in one required extremely qualified skills. That's probably not quite as true in the Cyberpapacy, because you're not expected to care about losing life or limb, but still.

How do Sunday workers cope with this? Are they only assigned dumb labor? Are skills uploaded?


Since tech is divinely inspired, I'm guessing they pray. There's no need for a game mechanic as this is in the background.


I don't really care about game mechanics in general, so sure :)

On the other hand, how would praying help you, say, assemble a car?

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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Gargoyle » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:15 pm

Yoric wrote:
Gargoyle wrote:
Yoric wrote:There is a difficulty, though. Before production lines, when factories were really workshops, working in one required extremely qualified skills. That's probably not quite as true in the Cyberpapacy, because you're not expected to care about losing life or limb, but still.

How do Sunday workers cope with this? Are they only assigned dumb labor? Are skills uploaded?


Since tech is divinely inspired, I'm guessing they pray. There's no need for a game mechanic as this is in the background.


I don't really care about game mechanics in general, so sure :)

On the other hand, how would praying help you, say, assemble a car?


Because reality works differently in the Cyberpapacy. The scientific method is heresy. Check the description of Tech on page 100.
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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Wotan » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:18 pm

Yoric wrote:
Wakshani wrote:
Gargoyle wrote:Even worse, production lines do not exist. (p15)


True!

I should have pulled it back to more 1850-era.

Ever read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"?

Because it's *ugly* in Cyberpapacy factories.


Oooohhh... that's very interesting.

There is a difficulty, though. Before production lines, when factories were really workshops, working in one required extremely qualified skills. That's probably not quite as true in the Cyberpapacy, because you're not expected to care about losing life or limb, but still.

How do Sunday workers cope with this? Are they only assigned dumb labor? Are skills uploaded?

Skillchips, at a guess.
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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby TorgHacker » Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:20 pm

Yoric wrote:
Wakshani wrote:
Gargoyle wrote:Even worse, production lines do not exist. (p15)


True!

I should have pulled it back to more 1850-era.

Ever read Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle"?

Because it's *ugly* in Cyberpapacy factories.


Oooohhh... that's very interesting.

There is a difficulty, though. Before production lines, when factories were really workshops, working in one required extremely qualified skills. That's probably not quite as true in the Cyberpapacy, because you're not expected to care about losing life or limb, but still.

How do Sunday workers cope with this? Are they only assigned dumb labor? Are skills uploaded?


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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Wakshani » Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:16 pm

Yoric wrote:I don't really care about game mechanics in general, so sure :)

On the other hand, how would praying help you, say, assemble a car?


Tsk. Faith can move mountains, you think it can't help you weld a fender?

Perhaps SOMEone needs to talk to a priest about this streak of doubt that they're feeling...

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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Padre » Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:30 pm

Wakshani wrote:
Yoric wrote:Currently reading the Cyberpapacy SourceBook. I'm trying to picture a Cyberpapacy factory, filled on Sundays with believers. Does this mean that it's crowded on Sundays and closed every other day of the week?

Also, why do you need factory workers in the first place? Does this mean that the Cyberpapacy is somehow worse at automatizing than Core Earth?


MUCH worse than automation. There are no robots doing jobs that Humans can do. Instead, you have old-school assembly lines, like the US during the Model T era, or Germany in WWII. This makes sure that people are never idle but instead are working.

(The work week in the CYberpapacy is 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for a punishing 72 hour work week. You often have people maimed in the machines but no big deal … you can get a cyberlimb for a replacement.)

It's pretty mind-numbing, backbreaking labor, but the Chrch makes sure that you can relax afterwards with a nice dose of Joy when you log into the Godnet.

You also have Artisinal workers who do less assembly-based workwith more creativity, but their output is terribly low. Drone artisans, for instance, is a dying job now that hard light drones are taking over from mechanical ones. Previously, a Drone Artisan would take weeks, months, even *years* to carefully create the vessel of a drone, making it of gold, silver, copper, brass, bronze, or, if you had no other option, steel, with unique flare, trying to make it as pleasing to God as possible. When the vessel was finished, you'd take a day or so to put the guts in … a few circuitboards as was laid out in the Illuminated .TXT with colored wire connecting things in a blessed arrangement.

Once finished, you connect the vessel to the Godnet and pray all night long... no one ever manages to stay up the entire time, but you endure as long as you can to show your piety. Eventually, you collapse because everyone is well aware that God doesn't want His work observed and if you stay awake the ENTIRE time, it always fails. When you wake with the morning bells ringing, hold your breath … as the Sun comes over the horizon, if you prayed hard enough and created a pleasing-enough vessel, it will stir to life, blessed by God via the Godnet, whirring to life with whatever task that god has chosen for it.

You have pleased Him and you can see that right in front of you! Huzzah!

ORrrrr… it fails to whirr to life. You did something wrong … perhaps you forgot a few words while praying or you stayed up too long. Most likely, the vessel simply wasn't pleasing enough, so you have to throw the entire thing out and start anew from scratch. (Use the same parts to make a new one, when it's clearly offensive in the eyes of the Lord? Are you MAD?! Out it goes, unworthy, unclean! Drive it from your home!)

So there's a constant output of goods, and it can be staggeringly volumous (Again, look at Model T production), but is also horribly inefficient.

This is very interesting. It has an almost 40k feel to it.

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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Wakshani » Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:56 pm

There are similarities and differences. The CYberpapacy isn't as bleak as 40k's "There is only war" state... and there *are* some people who understand science, they're just very, very quiet about it, hidden away in secret. Science isn't lost and confusing, it's still progressing … just with divine overtures.

There are also some rhymes … the Witch Hunters of both 40K and the CYberpapacy wear those "Pilgrim hats" with the buckle on 'em because, well, that's the image people have of the witch hunts up in New England so the vibe instantly connects. Similar source, familiar rhymes, but also differences in the beats … 40K psychers are largely corrupted by the Warp, crazy, and dangerous. Most Cyberpapacy witches are begin and just wish to be left alone where they can quietly live their lives and harming others is a tragedy. (There are a few who go dark, of course, especially once the Darkness Device came and started putting out negativity, but most have no intentions of unleashing hellspawn on the populace and, in fact, actively try to NOT do that.)

It's a neat mix, and when you get to see some of the Secrets Of... stuff, you'll get mor einsights into that. There're some hints of it in the main book but way more to follow.

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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby pkitty » Sat Dec 07, 2019 8:25 am

Yoric wrote:Before production lines, when factories were really workshops, working in one required extremely qualified skills. That's probably not quite as true in the Cyberpapacy, because you're not expected to care about losing life or limb, but still.

How do Sunday workers cope with this? Are they only assigned dumb labor? Are skills uploaded?

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Re: Cyberpapacy factories

Postby Yoric » Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:02 am

pkitty wrote:Augmented reality. A simple overlay showing which Tab A to insert into which Slot Q for each step of the process.


That might work. I wonder who designs these overlays. I feel plots opening :)


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