Need help with CG and Profession costs

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Sat Mar 11, 2017 12:33 pm

Bern your calculation seems to be alright.
I expanded my previous excel file with additional calculations and I set it as a new file because I didn't want to delete all those profession calculation.
Here is link. If you want you can share it on German forum. Maybe this tool will be useful to Elytherion (creator of other CG)
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby Elytherion » Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:19 pm

Hi!

Thanks a lot, to both of you, for this work! My CG doesnt calculate the final AP cost (at least it hasnt done it until now), so all your work is so incredibly helpful!!

Just briefly about my CG: I plan to release an English version, but I cant estimate the time I will need to get there. I still have a bit of work to do to get the German CG done. And I have to figure out how to implement 1. the translations and 2. the differences between the rules (like bern).

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:50 am

Hi I build more of the sample characters with my CG. On for one of them I get a cost of 1100 AP. The other two use less AP. The calculation is based on the values given for the characters in the German core rules.

Allacaya The Elven Wyldrunner
-12 for Race Glade elves (The cost does not include the Advantages, so it is 30 AP lower than printed in the Core Rules)
30 for COU 10
30 for SAG 10
120 for INT 15
90 for CHA 14
90 for DEX 14
120 for AGI 15
75 for CON 13
15 for STR 9
5 for Beautiful Voice
10 for Darksight I
20 for Good Looks I
8 for Needs No Sleep
5 for Restistant to Aging
25 for Spellcaster
5 for Two-Voiced Singing
-20 for Bad Luck I
-1 for Incompetent (Carousing)
-10 for Personality Flaw (Arrogance) 10
-10 for Personality Flaw (Unworldly regarding gods) 10
-10 for Personality Flaw (Unworldly regarding money) 10
-10 for Sensitive Nose
4 for Garethi II
2 for Isdira Signs
125 for Magical Tradition (Elf)
3 for Skill Specialization Tracking (Animal Tracks)
18 for Bows 12
4 for Daggers 8
40 for Body Control 10
24 for Perception 6
6 for Singing 6
15 for Stealth 5
16 for Swimming 8
2 for Seduction 1
18 for Animal Lore 6
2 for Fishing 2
10 for Orienting 5
21 for Plant Lore 7
24 for Survival 8
24 for Tracking 8
6 for Music 6
2 for Sailing 1
10 for Woodworking 5
21 for Armatrutz 6
10 for Axxeleratus 4
10 for Balsam Salabunde 4
8 for Breat Water 3
10 for Eagle Eye 4
24 for Fulminictus 7
10 for Hawk Eye 4
4 for Odem Arcanum 3
14 for Silentium 6
1 for Siren Call
10 for Somnigravis 4
5 for Song of Friendship 4
12 for Visibili 5
Sum: 1090


Orestas The Meridianan Mercenary
120 for COU 15
45 for SAG 11
75 for INT 13
30 for CHA 10
30 for DEX 10
90 for AGI 14
75 for CON 13
90 for STR 14
10 for Resistant to Poison I
-5 for Negative Trait (Curiosity) 5
-5 for Negative Trait (Wastefulness) 5
10 for Alertness
10 for Defensive Posture
15 for Feint I
15 for Forceful Blow I
5 for Improve Attack
5 for Improve Parry
20 for Inured to Encumbrance I
2 for Kusliker Signs
10 for Leader
2 for Mohish I
10 for One-Handed Combat
2 for Skill Specialization Warfare (Open Battle)
15 for Terrain Knowledge (Jungle)
2 for Tulamidya I
8 for Brawling 10
8 for Crossbows 10
12 for Impact Weapons 10
18 for Polearms 12
18 for Swords 12
8 for Throwing Weapons 10
18 for Two-Handed Swords 12
28 for Body Control 7
7 for Carousing 7
2 for Climbing 1
32 for Self Control 8
24 for Empathy 8
18 for Fast-Talk 6
6 for Seduction 3
18 for Streetwise 6
32 for Willpower 8
12 for Animal Lore 4
2 for Fishing 2
10 for Orienting 5
12 for Plant Lore 4
21 for Survival 7
10 for Myths & Legends 5
6 for Religion 3
16 for Warfare 8
12 for Commerce 6
2 for Sailing 1
14 for Treat Poison 7
28 for Treat Wounds 7
Sum: 1080

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:33 am

Elytherion wrote:Hi!

Thanks a lot, to both of you, for this work! My CG doesnt calculate the final AP cost (at least it hasnt done it until now), so all your work is so incredibly helpful!!

Just briefly about my CG: I plan to release an English version, but I cant estimate the time I will need to get there. I still have a bit of work to do to get the German CG done. And I have to figure out how to implement 1. the translations and 2. the differences between the rules (like bern).


You are welcome Elytherion. If you need more help, feel free to ask. But I must mention that unfortunately I don't speak German.

And thanks for planning to release and English version of CG ;)

@Bern
When I come home tonight, I'll check all sample characters from English rulebook with my excel tool and upload if that will help you.
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:19 am

I would be of great help if you could check all the sample characters, because I'm going to build them all with my CG and check the AP values. I too do build them with a excel sheet, but it is better to have someone else check the too, because it's likely that I might make the same mistake twice.

I don't need your excel sheet immediately. I can compare the values any time, there are still other things to fix in the CG and I will not have lot of time this week, as I'm working extra hours at my job and have to prepare two TDE sessions for the weekend. So you don't have to hurry.

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:23 am

Bern, here you go.
I updated excel file with all sample characters so you can downloaded it again. Link

And here is comparative table with values I got based on english core book.

NameAP Cost
Allacaya1090
Korgrimm1171
Thallian1073
Irinja1100
Belima1070
Orestas1088
Elwene1126
Selim1109
Nevinia1108
Wulfgrimm1118
Ylwa1127
Gonzalo1100
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:20 pm

Hi after being silent for several days I wanted to let you know that I'm working on this but a lot of my time is currently sucked up by the Civilization V (not VI) PC game. I compared the first 7 so far, fixed all the mistakes I found in my data and most of the time we get the same AP values. There are only two differences:
1. You forgot the Pick locks for Belima. It is woth 30 AP.
2. Orestas has Riding 4 in the TDE Core Rules. In the German rules it is Riding 0. This makes our AP value different, but only because of Riding.

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby MadBeard » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:14 am

You are right Bern, I forgot Pick locks for Belima. I fixed excel file so now should be alright. Thanks for info.
Good luck with Civ V :)
Yesterday I picked up Sins of Solar Empire for 1$ on humble bundle, so probably same fate awaits me :)
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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby Elytherion » Sat Apr 15, 2017 3:47 am

I was just calculating the White Mage (Gareth) in my CG as I found a mistake in your data: Blinding Flash is IC A not B. The costs go down to 316 then. Because I think all their calculations are made without pAeP, it would be 312, which is very close to 310. Which would also mean, that the Gray Mage would be fine (314 - 4 for pAeP = 310).

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Re: Need help with CG and Profession costs

Postby bern » Sat Apr 15, 2017 11:53 am

Thanks for the info about the wrong IC of Blinding Flash.

I don't understand what you wrote about the permanent Arcane Energy. I added 4 AP to the value of Binding of the Staff to reflect the permanent Arcane Energy cost of the bindung. The White Mage profession in the Core Rules also includes the cost for buying back the AE so the difference 2 AP. The Gray Mage in the Core Rules also should include the AE cost, because it is not giving a AE mod of -2.


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