Degrees of Failiure?

Morgoth
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Degrees of Failiure?

Postby Morgoth » Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:09 am

So we have QL levels for degree's of success, that is if you get more QL on a roll you succeed more than planned; many spells and skills have rules of what can happen on higher QLs.

But what about failure? You have rules for failiure and botches, but nothing for in between. I'm thinking that as a GM, when my PCs fail by a larger margin but don't botch, I could add in more of an effect than just saying 'that didn't work' or 'you fail'. Anyone do something like this and if so, any guidelines on how to implement it?

Denshi
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Re: Degrees of Failiure?

Postby Denshi » Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:57 pm

You could define the degree of a failure as the number of attribute checks that failed. You could even distinguish different types of failures depending on the attribute(s) that failed.
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Keep in mind that success rates on attribute checks are in most cases not much higher than 50%. IMHO when using degrees of failures, those degrees should vary fluff-wise and not mechanically.

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Re: Degrees of Failiure?

Postby bluedragon7 » Sat Feb 16, 2019 3:11 pm

You could calculate how much of a bonus would be required to still make the roll, or by how much your skill would need to be higher

Say your attributes are 12/14/10 and your skill is at 4
If you rolled 14/14/14 you would need a bonus of 1 (rolling against 13/15/11) or 2 higher skill
With a roll of 18/14/10 it’s bonus of 2 or skill of 2
At 15/15/11 it’s bonus 1 or skill 1 and so on

You could then multiply the time required to complete by x for each level of failure.

I don’t see much benefit in this, the current 2 grades of failure are sufficient for myself

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Re: Degrees of Failiure?

Postby Thrar » Sun Feb 17, 2019 4:22 am

For me personally, I don't think degrees of failure would be much fun. It already sucks to fail, it's not enjoyable to figure out exactly how badly so the GM can then think of appropriately harsh consequences. As a GM, I try to put the spotlight on the players' successes, not their failures.

Degrees of success are on paper very similar, but feel very different. A narrow success is still a success and feels good, but it's even more cool when you get 5 QL on your core skill and achieve a spectacular result.

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Re: Degrees of Failiure?

Postby Bosper » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:39 am

To me its interesting what attribute failed. Does he lack the strenght to climb up or doesnt he even have the courage to go on. That makes enough of a difference to me.

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Re: Degrees of Failiure?

Postby GuernseyMan » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:10 am

I agree with Bosper.

We've only played 2 sessions up to now (Revelations from Heaven) and my players are using the actual failed stat to define their failure (with no prompting from me). One of my players describing his hangover in terms of his failed strength check.

The tri-stat roll for skills is a work of art from a narrative point of view. I don't believe that it needs any mechanics to complicate the game any more.


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