Horriphobus errata

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Horriphobus errata

Postby Morgoth » Mon Aug 14, 2017 3:39 am

The spell description for Horriphobus states it is part of the Guild Mage tradition, but later on in the same chapter the chart on pg 301 of the pdf state is is part of the Witches Tradition.

Which is right, and any chance of this getting corrected in an errata or 3rd printing? (too late for 2nd printing I think)

At least the pdf should be updated with these corrections.

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby HEX the Dark » Mon Aug 14, 2017 7:54 am

First, you should add this to the Errata-Thread, unfortunately I couldn't find it right now for a link. :(
Secondly, some spells are available in different traditions, so maybe it's not a mistake after all.
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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby tempest13 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 8:10 am

I already have this on the errata list. It is a Guild Mage spell and is noted as such in the German publications.

Errata I found still not corrected:

Core Rules
pge 40 2nd column 2nd paragraph 1st sentence: 15AP should read 18AP.

pge 48 Fragile disadvantage is actually Sensitive to Pain.

pge 94 Elf should be +1 Agl, Dwarf should be -2 Agl. NOT DEX for either.

pge 167 Iron-tuned Aura the penalty is for every 8 pounds rather than the normal 4 pounds.

pge 220 chart is missing Analyst special ability

pge 301 Spells by Tradition : Horriphobus should be under Guild Mages and NOT Witches.

pge 378 Astrolabe weight should be 6 lbs.

pge 378 telescope weight should be 2.5 lbs.

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby Morgoth » Mon Aug 14, 2017 10:42 am

tempest13 wrote:I already have this on the errata list. It is a Guild Mage spell and is noted as such in the German publications.

Errata I found still not corrected:

Core Rules
pge 40 2nd column 2nd paragraph 1st sentence: 15AP should read 18AP.

pge 48 Fragile disadvantage is actually Sensitive to Pain.

pge 94 Elf should be +1 Agl, Dwarf should be -2 Agl. NOT DEX for either.

pge 167 Iron-tuned Aura the penalty is for every 8 pounds rather than the normal 4 pounds.

pge 220 chart is missing Analyst special ability

pge 301 Spells by Tradition : Horriphobus should be under Guild Mages and NOT Witches.

pge 378 Astrolabe weight should be 6 lbs.

pge 378 telescope weight should be 2.5 lbs.


Thanks for this, please forward it to the errata thread. It's surprising none of this was corrected in the updated pdf; the Elf and Dwarf errata especially is significant in it's impact.

However I want to confirm: You say Iron Tuned Aura should be for 8lbs and the normal weight is 4lbs; but from what I recall mages take penalties for every 2lbs of iron on their person, not 4lbs. With the Iron Turned Aura advantage they can increase it to 4lbs.

Again this would be a very significant change so some confirmation on this is needed.

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby tempest13 » Mon Aug 14, 2017 12:23 pm

you are correct they gimped the original value and left the advantage the same. I
missed that.

Original Core Rules
"The Iron Ban
When carrying or wearing great amounts of iron,
spellcasters suffer a negative effect on their ability
to cast spells and regenerate AE. Spellcasters
suffer a penalty of 1 to casting spells for every 4
full pounds of iron being carried. Also, for every 4
full pounds of iron carried for more than an hour,
spellcasters recover one less point of AE in their
next Regeneration Phase"

V2.0 Core Rules
"The Iron Ban
When carrying or wearing items made of iron,
spellcasters suffer a negative effect on their ability
to cast spells and regenerate AE. Spellcasters
suffer a penalty of 1 to casting spells for every 2
full pounds of iron they carry (exception: see
Iron-Attuned Aura, page 167). Also, for every 2
full pounds of iron carried for more than an hour,
spellcasters recover one less point of AE in their
next Regeneration Phase."

Original German
"Der Bann des Eisens
Größere Mengen Eisen am Zauberkundigen wirken
sich negativ sowohl auf die Regeneration von AsP als
auch auf das Wirken von Zaubern aus. Pro vollen 2 Stein
Eisen, die ein Zauberer mit sich trägt, ist das Wirken
von Zaubern um je 1 erschwert. Trägt er mehr als eine
Stunde solche Mengen Eisen mit sich herum, sinkt die
Regeneration von AsP pro Regenerationsphase pro
volle 2 Stein Eisen um 1."

2 stein is 2 kilograms or 4.4 pounds. It would appear that the "corrected" rules more than halved the weight allowed.

This also means that Druids do not have a stronger ban as it matches the newer version in almost every way (except it takes a half hour to affect the penalty on regeneration

"Strong Iron Ban: Physical contact with smelted metals
has a negative effect on a Druid’s regeneration of AE
and the casting of spells. Every two pounds of smelted
metal the druid wears or is in contact with incurs a penalty of 1. If these circumstances persist for more
than half an hour, regeneration of AE drops by 1 per
2 pounds of metal per regeneration phase. This rule
replaces the usual rule of the Iron Ban for Spellcasters
(see Core Rules, page 255).

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby Morgoth » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:26 pm

Interesting...so is this a deliberate change? Not that it matters per se, since iron /= steel, and Gareth combat mages can still weild steel swords, but I am curious why this change was enacted.

I'm also getting a sneaking suspicion that maybe this was an error in converting from kg to lbs; i.e. 1 kg = 2.2lbs, so maybe they copied the kg value but did not convert it to lbs.

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby tempest13 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:43 am

From the rules wiki:

The Iron Ban
When carrying or wearing great amounts of iron, spellcasters suffer a negative effect on their ability to cast spells and regenerate AE. Spellcasters suffer a penalty of 1 to casting spells for every 4 full pounds of iron being carried. Also, for every 4 full pounds of iron carried for more than an hour, spellcasters recover one less point of AE in their next Regeneration Phase.
 
Core Rules page 255


Iron-Attuned Aura
 
Rules: With this advantage, you suffer a penalty for every 4 full pounds of weight due to the Iron Ban, not every 2 full pounds, as usual (see page 250).
Prerequisites: Advantage Spellcaster
AP Value: 15 adventure points
 
Publication: Core Rules page 167
This confirms that the original rule was correct and that the 2nd edition edit made it worse. Also the wiki is also wrong!

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby Morgoth » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:29 am

@Eric USNA Could you take a look at this please?

Because as it is in the English version the Gareth Academy Wizard profession in the Core Rules cannot wield a longsword without taking iron ban penalties (he doesn't have the Iron Attuned Aura advantage)

To summarize: The Iron Ban should affect 4lbs of iron/steel on a spellcasters body as in the German Rules, not 2 as in the English Ruleset. This was likely an error in translating the weight (instead of multiplying kg to lbs, they used the same number for lbs as was in kg in the German text)

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Re: Horriphobus errata

Postby wilcoxon » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:49 pm

This is one of the reasons I would have preferred they simply left measurements in metric rather than sort-of converting to imperial units.


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