Blessed Ones in previous editions

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Blessed Ones in previous editions

Postby Morgoth » Sun May 27, 2018 2:07 am

So I hear the rules for Blessed Ones and their magic got a complete overhaul in 5e (this edition). Could someone tell me how blesed ones used to work in previous editions like 4e and 4.1e? And how their chants/magic worked?

I hear their magic was more rare then, and I would have preferred that; I like the game a LOT, but the ease with which blessed ones use their chants and the 12 blessings they all get takes me out of the setting somewhat.

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Re: Blessed Ones in previous editions

Postby bluedragon7 » Sun May 27, 2018 4:53 pm

In Short: Regeneration was only a point per night (and additional regeneration when praying for some hours) and in exchange their chants were more powerful, especially when upgraded. For example for 5 Karma they could heal a single person for for example 8 points but for 10 karma it would be 10 people for 11 points each. For 15 karma it would then heal 100 people for 9 points each.

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Re: Blessed Ones in previous editions

Postby Deti » Mon May 28, 2018 9:46 am

The additional regeneration with praying and meditation had some kind of modificator, if you did it more than one time within a few days, you would get less and less karma. For the full regerneration, the blessed one had to wait for 2 weeks between meditations.

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Re: Blessed Ones in previous editions

Postby Bosper » Mon May 28, 2018 10:04 am

also chants werent skills for themselves. you had a single lithurgy skill for chanting Courage/Intuition/Charisma that you used for every chant you learned, having only to put points into that single skill and only caring about those three attributes. You unlocked new chants and higher versions of chants over time and the only thing that changed was a penalty on your lithurgy roll for mor powerful versions and higher KE cost.
Blessings were the lowest tier of chants and more expensive than they are now i think 4-6 KP per blessing, but a bit more potent as well.

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Re: Blessed Ones in previous editions

Postby Morgoth » Wed Jun 06, 2018 1:53 pm

So why did they make such a drastic change? Are Blessed Ones more powerful now, or were they more powerful earlier? Seems to me the latter, but balanced by the fact they took much longer to recover their KPs.

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Re: Blessed Ones in previous editions

Postby Bosper » Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:17 am

The change is based in the Karmakothäon , Time of Heroes and Twilight of the Gods. We are in TDE4 ended an eon and now we are in between eons and the seats of the gods arent safe anymore. New and Old gods rise to seize a place in Alveran and to become a ruling deity. Thats why the gods started to give more Karma to their followers and thats why not blessed individuals started to gain godly abilities (called zealots, introduced in aventurian gods 1).

High "level" blessed ones cant influence as many people as they could in 4th ed. But if they did it back then they wouldnt do any blessed thing for several weeks.
And to be honest, though it was nice when you could do something as a priest, being forced to really be cheap with your karma led to saving it up 90% of sessions. It was just the same as with the mages who saved all their Astral points for the whole adventure for a single flame lance that killed the big evil guy with 14 D6 of firedamage in 1 combat round.
you could do spectacular things...once. and then you were just some dude talking about gods. One that always had a bad feeling blessing an NPC because that 4 karma points were sooo valuable, because some priests only had 12 total at chargen.

In 3rd edition they couldnt do very much. smaller miracles to buff their skills and a hand full of bigger ones that were very specialised in certain situations, and not that powerful. The only thing that was impressive was one big miracle that was granted ONCE in your career in an epic moment.

So in short: in 4th edition they were more powerful, but terrible at their job as priests.


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