Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals? And other QM Tradition questions.

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Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals? And other QM Tradition questions.

Postby Morgoth » Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:36 am

So, I'm having a blast reading the recently released Aventuria Magic I preview for Kickstarter backers. Right now I have a question:

-Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals (tattoos) on their palms or otherwise like Guild Mages?

I would assume they do not due to their entire deal with secrecy and how even their Tradition allows them to remove one type of spellcasting component (verbal or gesture) without penalty but it is not stated outright in the text.

Aside from that, what is the background/deal of Qabalya Mages? Do they follow the Codex Albericus?

Why do they stand apart from other GMs; and what is the view of the Guilds on them? Say, if a White Mage of the Gareth Academy comes across a Qabalya Mage is he to arrest him or attack him on sight, as white mages are supposed to be more strict about the laws of the guild.

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Postby Dany40 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:44 pm

+ 1 I have the same questions :)

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Re: Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals? And other QM Tradition questions.

Postby Denshi » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:04 pm

First I must note that I'm no expert in this field. So most of what I write is sourced from the German Wiki Aventurica. Corrections are very welcome. ;)

Morgoth wrote:Aside from that, what is the background/deal of Qabalya Mages?

The Tradition of the Qabalya mages stems from the tulamid region (mainly Arania) shortly after the mage wars around 595 FB. After those wars the mage guilds had an ill reputation there. And when two major academies (Baburin and Elburum) were closed in 598 FB, the mages formed secret societies to practice their (now forbidden) craft.

edit: The video game “Memoria” by Deadalic Entertainment that's also available in English also briefly covers those mage wars though it doesn't go into qabalya mages.

Morgoth wrote:-Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals (tattoos) on their palms or otherwise like Guild Mages?

No, that would go strongly against the whole “secret organisation” theme I mentioned above. The main purpose of the seal is to identify you as a guild mage—granting you the privileges that come with it (thanks to the Codex Albyricus). As someone that tries to hide his identity as a mage, the use of a seal would obviously be a no-go.

Morgoth wrote:Do they follow the Codex Albericus?

Considering that the Codex Albyricus requires them to identify as mages (wearing seal and codex-conforming robes), that would also go against their tradition of secrecy. Sure those guild rights are nice to have for a mage, but I'd take qabalya mages as most conservative when it comes to their ways and traditions.

I think for the purposes of the Codex Albyricus, they would count as guildless mages, meaning they're forbidden to sell their magic for coin. But who cares, right? 8-)

Morgoth wrote:what is the view of the Guilds on them?


They were born out of a situation that doesn't exist anymore. Personally, I don't think there many qabalya mages left. So why should the Guilds pay much attention to them?

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Morgoth wrote:Say, if a White Mage of the Gareth Academy comes across a Qabalya Mage is he to arrest him or attack him on sight, as white mages are supposed to be more strict about the laws of the guild.

Ad primo, the white mage would need to care. While that might sound like the easiest part, I don't think many mages would have the motivation to go and look for illegaly operating magic users and report them to the local authorities (who might or might not care). There sure would be some branches of the church of praios interested in that kind of activity but I'd wager that many white mages would still prefer to spend their valueable time doing research in one of the academies.

Ad secundo, the white mage would need to identify the qabalya mage as such. As a tradition that specializes in preventing its detection this should be quite hard.

Ad tertio, the white mage would need to catch the qabalya mage illegaly offering magical services or commiting a magical crime. He would then have to convince the local authority to persecute against the offender. He isn't allowed to take justice into his own hands. If a white mage is caught casting offensive magic without provocation they will be sent to their guild court which has much harsher punishments than the local court (that the guildless mage would be tried at).

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Re: Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals? And other QM Tradition questions.

Postby Bosper » Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:54 am

nicely answered.

White mages are indeed more strict in following the rules, they still have absolutely no jurisdiction in arresting anyone, or more rights regarding the use of offensive magic. It is not illegal to be a guildless mage or caster. You just cant sell your magical services in SOME major regions.The Codex Albyricus applies in Middenrealm, Horasia, Bornland and Arania. A guildless mage in thorwal, mhanadistan or meridiana can do whatever he likes with his talents.

Guild rules apply to guild members only. So if a white mage commits a violation of guild law, they can punish him, if a guildless mage does, he will only be persecuted if he commited a crime regarding normal law. If he used magic as part of a crime, it will be seen as intentional and the result of his actions will be the measure for his punishment.

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Re: Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals? And other QM Tradition questions.

Postby Morgoth » Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:40 pm

If mages have no jurisdiction in arresting one of their own, how exactly does a criminal mage get arrested then? And how do the academies then pass judgement? I mean, considering that the church of praios is not fond of any users of magic, I don't feel mages would want to go to them for help.

Finally, are mage duels just not a thing in Aventuria? Don't the battle mage types (like gareth academy or andergastan battle mages) settle their disputes in magical duels to the death or first blood at least?

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Re: Do Qabalya Mage's have Seals? And other QM Tradition questions.

Postby Bosper » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:07 pm

Morgoth wrote:If mages have no jurisdiction in arresting one of their own, how exactly does a criminal mage get arrested then? And how do the academies then pass judgement? I mean, considering that the church of praios is not fond of any users of magic, I don't feel mages would want to go to them for help.

Finally, are mage duels just not a thing in Aventuria? Don't the battle mage types (like gareth academy or andergastan battle mages) settle their disputes in magical duels to the death or first blood at least?

The "One of their own" is the important part. The Arrows of Light can arrest white mages or fight other mages with consent of their guild, but the other guilds have executive orders of their own the grey staves and the shadows, who deal with problematic grey or black mages. But no mage can judge a non-guild caster, or a mage of another guild just like that.
Same goes for the church of praios, they can aid the legal persecution, but are in themselve no legal body with any jurisdiction outside of church-law.

In 99,99% of cases a criminal has to be brought to the next judge or local noble, only if neither is in reach of several days of travel, a blessed one of praios might take the role of a judge, if he/she thinks its the right thing to do. Then after a judge heard the case a mage has to be brought to his guild if the crime was in any way magical, a blessed one has to be brought to a church court or a dwarf has to be brought to his king in any case (a dwarven mage has to be brought to the guild in magical crime, or to his king in profane crime). Those are 3 out of 4 major exceptions of law in horasia and the middenrealm. Elves are exception #4 which got a single "get outta jail free card" through the tralloppian contract. Since elves are stup...cant be expected to know the law, smaller crimes can be forgiven once, if they understand what it was they did wrong.


Mages duels were/are a thing in the tulamidian tradition. Since everyone else had bad experiences with mages running wild (mage's war) the western/northern parts of aventuria do not allow magical duels, since they are nothing but an unecessary exposure to destructive magic without any real danger to oppose. Gareth especially will persecute anyone breaking the codex albyricus in such ways.

The Tulamidians as i said, dont care that much about the western tradition of mages, and some still hold high the traditions of the kopthas and mudramuls (the ancient tulamidian mages) or mage moguls. this includes duells.
The Pentagram Academy of Rashdul was lead by master elementarist Dschelef ibn Jassafer who then was defeated in a duel by his daughter and demonologist Belizeth Dschelefsunni who turned the academy in a place of darker lore and tried to use it as a seat of power to establish her own realm. She then got defeated again in duel by the great Sultan Hasrabal ben Yakuban

and yes tulamidian mages are just cooler in every aspect :P

https://de.wiki-aventurica.de/wiki/Dsch ... n_Jassafer

https://de.wiki-aventurica.de/wiki/Beli ... helefsunni

https://de.wiki-aventurica.de/wiki/Hasrabal_ben_Yakuban


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