"Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

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"Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby mrroderick » Sun Jun 10, 2018 8:50 pm

I am running into an issue in that my table has multiple players who have taken more than one casting perk (i.e., Miracles AND Magic or Magic AND Psionics or Miracles AND Psionics). The rules for Magic, Miracles, and Psionics all say:
Magic: Characters may only cast a single spell per turn, and must be able to speak and move an empty hand. Although only one spell is allowed, a caster may Multi-Action (see page 124) with other skills, and may Multi-Target (see page 125) with a single spell unless the spell’s description forbids it.
Miracles: Miracles are invoked with the faith skill as an action (unless the miracle says otherwise). A character may never invoke more than one miracle per turn, and must be able to speak and move her hands.
Psionics: Powers are activated with the kinesis, precognition, or telepathy skills. A psi may only activate a single power per turn.

Thus, we have all read the multi-action rules as allowing a spell and miracle (or other combo) on the same turn. Based on the rules above, this seems against the spirit of the law but OK within the letter.

Any guidance from our esteemed Torg designers?

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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby Spatula » Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:53 am

Note that there are later perks in the core book (albeit not available at chargen) that allow you to cast more than one spell a round.

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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby TorgHacker » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:02 pm

Unless you have the Multi-Tasker and Magister Perks, you can't cast a spell and manifest a psionic power as a Multi-Action. Miracles can never be invoked as a Multi-Action with either casting a spell or manifesting a psionic power.

This will be going in the FAQ.
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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby Spatula » Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:10 pm

Aw. Well, it's still useful as a way to get a bunch of powers to start, and you can just focus on one stat. Spirit being the "best" choice since it's used by all three and very useful in the game otherwise.

There are 4 realms (5 including CE) that support both magic and miracles, so maybe a perk that lets you use both in the same round without needed both Multi-Tasker and Magister would be useful. One could call it Mystic Theurge, perhaps? ;)

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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby TorgHacker » Mon Jun 11, 2018 1:18 pm

Spatula wrote:Aw. Well, it's still useful as a way to get a bunch of powers to start, and you can just focus on one stat. Spirit being the "best" choice since it's used by all three and very useful in the game otherwise.

There are 4 realms (5 including CE) that support both magic and miracles, so maybe a perk that lets you use both in the same round without needed both Multi-Tasker and Magister would be useful. One could call it Mystic Theurge, perhaps? ;)


With the usual caveat I have no qualms what you do in your game, but we very intentionally made it so miracles cannot be hurried. That's why there was no equivalent to Multi-Tasker or Magister in the Faith Perks.

You don't rush your deity. So we won't be making any Perk that allows a combo of miracles with psionics or spells.
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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby Spatula » Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:28 pm

Oh, yeah. I totally forgot there wasn't a miracles version and copy-and-pasted in the psi perk. Oops. It's probably for the best that there isn't one, since miracles are already "easier" in that they only rely on one skill, and it's a skill tied to an already important ability (which is also used for magic & psi skills).

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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby jhosmer1 » Tue Jun 12, 2018 9:59 am

TorgHacker wrote: You don't rush your deity. So we won't be making any Perk that allows a combo of miracles with psionics or spells.


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Re: "Double" Casting (Interactions between multiple magic systems)

Postby TorgHacker » Tue Jun 12, 2018 10:06 am

EXACTLY. :lol:
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