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Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:52 am
by mistervimes
  • The Ruins Seeker and Edeinos Eidolon do not have the Edeinos Racial abilities listed. Is this a typo or should the cosm be Core Earth?
  • The Apex Predator, Lost One and Sunwing Ace do not list the Natural Weapons racial ability. I assume this is a typo?
  • The Hunter of Lanala perk (Apex Predator) does not have a category. I assume the category is Edeinos?

Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:52 am
by TorgHacker
mistervimes wrote:
  • The Ruins Seeker and Edeinos Eidolon do not have the Edeinos Racial abilities listed. Is this a typo or should the cosm be Core Earth?



Edeinos don't lose their racial abilities if they transform. Only the Edeinos category Perks. So the fact that they don't have the racial abilities listed isn't indicative of anything.

  • The Apex Predator, Lost One and Sunwing Ace do not list the Natural Weapons racial ability. I assume this is a typo?


  • They have Bite/Claws listed as Weapons. So, no.

  • The Hunter of Lanala perk (Apex Predator) does not have a category. I assume the category is Edeinos?


  • Yeah. It has Chameleon Skin as a prereq, which is an Edeinos Perk.

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:04 pm
    by mistervimes
    Thank you.

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:07 pm
    by Zackzenobi
    mistervimes wrote:
    • The Ruins Seeker and Edeinos Eidolon do not have the Edeinos Racial abilities listed. Is this a typo or should the cosm be Core Earth?
    • The Apex Predator, Lost One and Sunwing Ace do not list the Natural Weapons racial ability. I assume this is a typo?
    • The Hunter of Lanala perk (Apex Predator) does not have a category. I assume the category is Edeinos?


    As the Creator of the Ruins Seeker, I can assure you, it is a Living Land character. And yes it should have Edeinos Racial Abilities. That was an oversight. I humbly apologize for that.

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:23 pm
    by Spatula
    The Sunwing, like the transformed edeinos in the batch of regular archetypes, seems to have forgotten it can’t keep Edeinos perks as a Core Earth character. Or maybe non-LL edeinos can have the racial perks?

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:26 am
    by Wakshani
    A few small blips.

    YOUNG SURVIVOR
    Perk listed as Situational Awareness, Effect as if the Perk was Natural Leader.

    CANNY SCIENTIST
    Perk listed as Situational Awareness, Effect as if the Perk was Natural Leader.

    GRANT POSSIBILITIES
    On both the Inspiring DJ and Canny Scientist, the perk reads as if it was only for Soak rolls, rather than general use. Is this an intentional change from the core rules, a clarification, or a small error? Not sure on this one.

    Nitpicks aside, the concepts are faboo, I salute each and every one of the designers, and I quietly push Luchador off of my table … no biggie, I can replace what I had. *sniffle* :D

    ((And condolences for the two gamers lost. I'd have made one myself for my dearly-departed first Torg GM had I the money to spare. Torches lit, yo.))

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:35 am
    by Zackzenobi
    Spatula wrote:The Sunwing, like the transformed edeinos in the batch of regular archetypes, seems to have forgotten it can’t keep Edeinos perks as a Core Earth character. Or maybe non-LL edeinos can have the racial perks?


    Edeinos racial abilities are specific to the Race not the Cosm. They should still have the Outsider and Bite/Claws regardless of Cosm.

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:48 pm
    by Atama
    Zackzenobi wrote:
    Spatula wrote:The Sunwing, like the transformed edeinos in the batch of regular archetypes, seems to have forgotten it can’t keep Edeinos perks as a Core Earth character. Or maybe non-LL edeinos can have the racial perks?


    Edeinos racial abilities are specific to the Race not the Cosm. They should still have the Outsider and Bite/Claws regardless of Cosm.

    Exactly. Don’t confuse Perks (which are cosm-specific) with Racial Abilities (which are available to all members of that race regardless of cosm).

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:54 pm
    by TorgHacker
    Spatula is correct in that there's an issue here...the issue actually is the Perk.

    Re: Regarding the Living Land Backer Archetypes

    Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 6:33 am
    by pkitty
    This isn't the first time we've seen this mistake. An edeinos who has transformed to Core Earth cannot have Edeinos perks, yet I think every single one of the transformed-edeinos backer archetypes has ignored this rule. :/