Staffan wrote:keltheos wrote:What would eventually negate a Glory result? A comparable action by the invading Cosm within that area? Suppression/Oppression/Overthrow...
I started to write an explanation for why the results of a Glory would eventually run out, but I realized it kind of doesn't - at least not the way you'd think.
I don't think there's anything that negates the result, per se. But consider the mechanics behind the whole thing.
First, a High Lord places/activates a stela, enforcing their own reality on an invaded area. Over time, people there transform - and doing so drains them of possibility energy.
If you then remove the stela, or remove the transformed people from the area, they will then again be exposed to a foreign reality. Over time, they will transform again. But this time they don't have any possibility energy to fuel the transformation - so instead they go poof. The point of a Glory result (or three) is to refill those ords with possibility energy so they can survive another transformation.
So, my first thought was that "Sure, you refill the ords, but eventually they will be drained again." But that's not the case - they've already been transformed, so the Everlaws aren't gunning for them anymore. However, it does make sense that the direct effects of the Glory are limited in time - there will be new people transforming after the Glory is spread.
Let's say Alice, Bengt, and Cecilia live in Växjö which gets invaded by Aysle. After a while, Alice transforms, and is now devoid of possibilities. Bengt and Cecilia still hold on to their Core Earth reality. Then one day, they hear word of a group of foreigners who slew the mighty troll of Fylleryd Woods. Alice is reinvigorated. Bob and Cecilia still think it's a cool story, but since they already have the miniscule levels of possibility energy ords are capable of holding, they're not affected by it. At this point, if someone tears up the stela on Öland or Jutland, they will be fine. Alice will eventually retransform to Core Earth, leaving her once again devoid of possibilities.
But let's say our group of foreigners are dragging their feet after infusing the area with their Glory. They wait a month, then another, and then a third. By now, Bob has also transformed to Aysle, and he did so after word of their Glorious deed spread. So he's emptied out. If they pull the stela now, Alice and Cecilia are safe, but Bob will eventually go poof.
I'm thinking that there should probably be a grace period of some sort in which the Glory is still "echoing" in the zone, refilling any ords that get drained, but I'm not sure how long that period should be.
I think you're right about how it "goes away" more by attrition, and while I was thinking that the oppression of the invaders would drain them, and still think it does...that may be the least significant factor, and attrition may come in second to the stelae. The whole point of setting up stelae is not primarily to transform, it's to drain Possibility Energy. So while the explanation for what if's makes sense, they lose their energy when they transform and don't have enough to survive another axiom wash, I think over time those stelae would be the biggest factor in draining away energy they receive from a Glory. Ironically this helps the invaders in the long run, and is the sort of thing that the Darkness Devices count on, so a single Glory may actually be welcome now and then, as long as the Storm Knights don't follow up with pulling a stela. This could make the seemingly stupid tactic of the High Lords sending out lieutenants to get defeated by Storm Knights as very clever in the long run, lose the battle, win the war.
As far as how long it takes for stelae, attrition, and oppression to drain them, I'd say it boils down to the "speed of plot". I'm going to play it by ear. It should probably take a while in game time for the effects to be negligible, I think a year feels right to me. But it really depends on when I want it to as a GM to set up adventure hooks, etc and convey a sense of desperation and/or achievement.