Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

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Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby johntfs » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:11 pm

There's a show on the History channel called Forged in Fire. It's a reality show competition in which blacksmith spend two rounds forging knives or smallish weapons and a final round forging some kind of historical weapon. The judges are cool, the show lacks the silly-ass drama for drama's sake of a lot of shows of that ilk and the show is pretty popular. It's also fostered something of a renewal of people's interest in metal-smithing, an art that in the 21st century I would have said was on its way out before this.

Magic is real now in TORG Core Earth. Not in an Ancient Aliens/Ghost Adventures/"My cousin saw Mommy kissing Sasquatch" way, but in a "we see this shit on the news" way. Core Earth still has TV and internet. Magic is a learnable, teachable skill, so figure a lot of people are going to watch to learn that skill. Especially after they see some You-Tube videos of some guys pranking each other with Mage Hands or using Bullet to bury a quarter in a tree.

And once people start learning to do something, they're going to wonder, "What else can we do with that?" If Core Earth's Magic axiom goes up by just one point, it makes the spells, Diminish, Enhance, Fear, Gain Language, Haste and Slow available. Consider the effect you might get if Core Earth military mages hit a line of dinosaurs with Diminish aim at their Spirit and then follow up with Fear to send the dinos running away, stomping through edeinos lines as they do.

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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby Wakshani » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:35 pm

Also remember that there's a perk that allows you to bump one of your own axioms by a pint. As such, a Core Earth caster could grab that next level of magic. The spells in question aren't normally available to a Core Earther, but it wouldn't be a terrible idea to invent a perk that allowed for it...

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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby GeniusCodeMonkey » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:40 pm

I honestly think CE magic axiom is too high. I think it should be closer to 5 than 9.
At axiom 6 you can cast spells in 10 seconds (a round).
At axiom 7 they can cast divination that can target individuals. Can you imagine a world where the cold war had MKUltra using drugs to enhance the Governments Top Secert Department of Magic Security to spy on the Russians, Vietnamese or Chineses officals in the 1960's and 1970's.
At 8, trained assiains that only know Bullet, but are able to go anywhere without a weapon and kill.
At 9 there is organised magic traditions that can share spells (See TOP SECERT Department of Magic Security).

Unless there is a global conspiracy or (more likely) the combined Realty Wash of so many high (compared to CE) Magic Cosms artifically increased the magic axiom and we are only just realising it.

There is the same thing with Spirit at 10, you can do laying on of hands to cure the sick, commune with animals, multiple the fishes for food etc. All the biblical stuff that SHOULD be visible or known about by the whole world; especially with the number of religions we have. Unless there is a global conspiracy or the Reality Wash again and CE was closer to 5; "Direct invocation of divine power becomes possible, but is unreliable and subtle."
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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby TorgHacker » Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:07 pm

So, the thing to remember is that Core Earth is not our Earth.

It's the Earth of the movies. That includes Die Hard but also includes movies like:

The Craft
The Seventh Sign
The Exorcist
Prince of Darkness

etc.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it's common, though the arrival of serious miracle workers from other cosms certainly will spark things, if only because people know what's possible now.

There is an explanation in my head why this is the case, but I don't know if we'll ever lock that down on paper.
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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby johntfs » Sun Jun 17, 2018 5:11 pm

TorgHacker wrote:So, the thing to remember is that Core Earth is not our Earth.

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it's common, though the arrival of serious miracle workers from other cosms certainly will spark things, if only because people know what's possible now.


That's my take on it. Once it's commonly known that magic, real magic, is possible, it's possible that magic will become a lot more common, and, like a muscle getting exercise, will become stronger, ie, the magic axiom will rise.

Despite the mention of miracles, I doubt the Spirit axiom will be as quick to rise. If anything it might actually start to fall because magic acts as a "logical, scientific explanation" for miracles.

As for the height of the Magic axiom despite the relative lack of obvious magic during pre-invasion Core Earth, think about the idea of some massively wealth person who designated money to go to a bird sanctuary a while back. Unknown to him, the birds are gone because of nearby pollution, but the checks to it still keep going because the guy is so rich he doesn't notice or care about the little bit going out.

Maybe spells like Bullet, Mage Hands and Scry were more common is days gone past. Between technology and the witch-hunts of the past, figure true practitioners are rare and keep(or kept) their abilities a secret, which was easy enough in a world that doesn't really believe in magic. Normally when something falls out of favor or practice the axiom declines. However, because Core Earth is such a wellspring of Possibility energy, the Magic and Spirit axiom have stayed at the current height instead of declining like they would in a normal cosm.

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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby Padre » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:18 pm

GeniusCodeMonkey wrote:(Snip)
There is the same thing with Spirit at 10, you can do laying on of hands to cure the sick, commune with animals, multiple the fishes for food etc. All the biblical stuff that SHOULD be visible or known about by the whole world; especially with the number of religions we have. Unless there is a global conspiracy or the Reality Wash again and CE was closer to 5; "Direct invocation of divine power becomes possible, but is unreliable and subtle."

Part of the issue is that you are looking at this from a Western perspective. If you do any kind of quiet investigation in the rest of the world, you discover that some of these miracles are happening in Africa, Indonesia, Asia, etc. Some of them, particularly laying on of hands for healing, happen in the West, they just don't get broadcast too loudly.

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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby GeniusCodeMonkey » Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:15 am

Ok, a bit of reprogramming in my head then.

With CE like The Craft etc. Then there probably is a Top Secert Department of Magical Affairs (a. la. X-Files) in most countries.

Also most organised religious organisations probably have something similar.

"Everone remembers The Vietnam War and the sacrifices this country made. But nobody knows about The Sacrifices we made at Saigon to delay the Vietcong just one more hour for Captain Wilson Phillips (High Wizard of the 3rd Circle) to get out; may his name be forever remembered in song."
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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby Plageman » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:37 am

Maybe not. In the XFiles the conspiracy only exists to cover the aliens agenda. Also look at Supernatural, the show, especially in the early seasons, most of the people of Earth are unaware of the monsters until it crosses their path. No govt agency involved here, just mundane disbelief. Even in movies like Big Troubles in Little China or Golden Child, knowledge of supernatural is kept by a handful of persons nothing worldwide. And actual ability to work magic is even rarer.

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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby GeniusCodeMonkey » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:48 am

I suppose at axiom 9, organised traditions doesn't mean wide spread. Plus we don't know how long it has been at this level.
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Re: Changes to Core Earth's Axioms

Postby Plageman » Mon Jun 18, 2018 3:52 am

Even then in core Earth science rule the modern landscape and magical and religious tradition is shunned in society. Yet in the fringe, in the more traditional societies rites and beliefs continue to exist, often trumping science in some places.

OTorg had voodoo as an example of then Core Earth magic uses along with place where "Mana" flowed more freely.


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