TorgHacker wrote:Now, in Torg Eternity we changed it up and decided that we'd make it so the Cyberpapacy would have seen the tech surge happen hundreds of years ago so it was a mature cybernetic setting. We chose at the time of the Core Book to keep it at Social 18. In hindsight, after considering the impact of the choice we made, I'd have gone and just slapped it back down to Social 14, and not had corporations at all.
But that's not what we did, so the Core Book has corporation names associated with the cyberware, weapons, vehicles, etc. So when we developed the Cyberpapacy for the sourcebook we needed to explain those. And we have...they're guilds associated with monastic orders rather than corporations, and we go into some detail on these (admittedly most of that detail had to be shunted to the Secrets PDFs).
But yes, one of the tacks we took was that with the Church (nominally) able to control everything, and little social progress being made, what would that look like? Corporations seemed out, but I used the fact that socialism was possible at Social 18 and leaned into _that_ especially since it made a good contrast with Pan-Pacifica which is more of a capitalist dystopia.
Then those Guild TechMonasteries are something like Soviet Design Bureaus, like MiG and Yak, praying for new blueprints instead of researching?
For Social Axiom, I prefer keeping 18. Although matching "mature cybernatic setting" and "regressed society than it could be" is not easy, but "Revolutionary Era people versus Ancien Regime theocracy" is important aspect of Cyberpapacy, and I hope keeping it.
(If I could, I may have portrayed Cyberpope in this new setting as "a Strong Leader who brought back the Old Way", a massive reactionist who has successfully completed a restoration of dogmatic autocracy at a certain point of history...Maybe he came instead of Napoleon?)
For current setting I feel that Cyberpapal seemingly-benevolent "Salvation" and " Missionary" expansion system justifies Social Axiom 18.
(And for massive social welfare systems needed for "Where people’s needs are entirely met, as long as you don’t need freedom", all the propaganda machines to keep people under Cyberpope's flock, and de facto Global Government on Magna Verita, even Social Axiom 18 seems a bit low. Honestly speaking, the way new cyberpapal propaganda going very smoothly seems somehow more like Nippon Tech, rather than Cyberpapacy, to me)