GodNet vs. Reality

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Yoric » Sat Dec 28, 2019 6:33 pm

Well, let's just say that the definition of eating and buying goods in the GodNet can have far-reaching implications :)

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Fuzzy » Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:19 pm

It seems like the default is that the Godnet is separate, unless there's something specific that causes it to not be separate (like a miracle that damages the deadhead in the Flesh).

When you bring something in the GodNet, a projection is created by that reality... Likewise, there are (relatively new) ways of projecting things from the GodNet into the Flesh (hard light holo projectors) in some areas, but that's also just a projection.

There _might_ be a way to physically move it through, but that's 'something else'. There might be a way to create something in the GodNet and have it translate physically into the Flesh, but it doesn't "just happen" that way. There would need to be a miracle, or some special situation, or possibility energy spent, etc.

The basic Tech 26 way of creating something in the GodNet and translating it into the Flesh is... build it with a DMB (Divine Maker Bot).

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Yoric » Sun Dec 29, 2019 2:24 pm

Fuzzy wrote:It seems like the default is that the Godnet is separate, unless there's something specific that causes it to not be separate (like a miracle that damages the deadhead in the Flesh).


Except that doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, you spend actual physical ammo in the GodNet, I don't think that this is a specific miracle :)

There _might_ be a way to physically move it through, but that's 'something else'. There might be a way to create something in the GodNet and have it translate physically into the Flesh, but it doesn't "just happen" that way. There would need to be a miracle, or some special situation, or possibility energy spent, etc.


Ok, but what kind of goods do you buy in the GodNet? Star Citizen ship models? :)

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Greymarch2000 » Sun Dec 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Think of it as getting to try out your Amazon order in VE before it gets shipped to you

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Yoric » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:00 pm

Greymarch2000 wrote:Think of it as getting to try out your Amazon order in VE before it gets shipped to you


Possible but a bit underwhelming. Also, actually harder to understand how and why that would work. Is there a duplicate for, say, my drone, waiting for me to test it in the GodNet? Because I know that I can bring the real one once I've bought it, so what's the point of the duplicate in the first place.

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Savioronedge » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:54 pm

Yoric wrote:
Greymarch2000 wrote:Think of it as getting to try out your Amazon order in VE before it gets shipped to you


Possible but a bit underwhelming. Also, actually harder to understand how and why that would work. Is there a duplicate for, say, my drone, waiting for me to test it in the GodNet? Because I know that I can bring the real one once I've bought it, so what's the point of the duplicate in the first place.

I am reminded that "shopping" is what Ords do. Storm Knights don't "buy" things, so the "items for sale" don't have to be immediately usable outside the GodNet. The people buying things there can walk out of the GN-store with the net-item attached to them, using it while jacked in, because the act of purchasing it attaches the item to their soul-image. Then they wait for it to be delivered in the flesh as well.

Also, some of the "items" for sale are likely to be programs, existing only in the net.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Yoric » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:08 am

Savioronedge wrote:I am reminded that "shopping" is what Ords do. Storm Knights don't "buy" things, so the "items for sale" don't have to be immediately usable outside the GodNet


Interesting point. I'm not sure what to make of it yet, but definitely worth pondering :)

One could imagine that only Reality-rated characters can bring something into the GodNet, possibly freaking out Ebenescrux in the process :)

The people buying things there can walk out of the GN-store with the net-item attached to them, using it while jacked in, because the act of purchasing it attaches the item to their soul-image. Then they wait for it to be delivered in the flesh as well.


I think that this would work in a society without the Law of Stagnation, either because it's consumer-oriented or because it's a socialist utopia. I can imagine "Sure, we can make a virtual model of your purchase, do you want the Flesh article delivered at your home or in any other place?" or "Now that you have unlocked the model, you can print it at any GodNet-compatible MiraclePrinter (tm)." or other variants.

In this Law of Stagnation-society, I have more difficulties envisioning it.

Also, some of the "items" for sale are likely to be programs, existing only in the net.


Yeah, micro-transactions within the GodNet. Their evil ways will never stop :)

More seriously, do you have ideas of what an Ord would buy for use on GodNet only? For the moment, with the exception of clothing, I come up blank.

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Atama » Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:43 pm

Yoric wrote:More seriously, do you have ideas of what an Ord would buy for use on GodNet only? For the moment, with the exception of clothing, I come up blank.

Vehicles, housing, little luxuries. Sure, those things probably aren’t “needed” but even clothes aren’t necessary in a virtual world. And maybe just the general purchasing of indulgences.
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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Yoric » Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:49 pm

Atama wrote:
Yoric wrote:More seriously, do you have ideas of what an Ord would buy for use on GodNet only? For the moment, with the exception of clothing, I come up blank.

Vehicles, housing, little luxuries. Sure, those things probably aren’t “needed” but even clothes aren’t necessary in a virtual world. And maybe just the general purchasing of indulgences.


Indulgences would definitely make sense, but I'd have difficulty qualifying them as "goods."

"Vehicles, housing, little luxuries..." You're talking about playing Sims in GodNet, right? :) It's clearly possible, but I'd assume that this would be a footnote at best in the overall existence of the Flock.

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Re: GodNet vs. Reality

Postby Greymarch2000 » Tue Dec 31, 2019 8:07 pm

When you're life in the GodNet is better than the drudgery of real life you'd probably spend as much time as possible enhancing your e-goods. :)


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