Aeldari Psykers

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Aeldari Psykers

Postby Aenno » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:23 am

Core, p. 361-362 wrote:The Asuryani have practiced and honed their psychic abilities for aeons, and they are know well the dangers that lurk within the esoteric plane from which the energies that power them flow. Aeldari psykers are thus resistant to the predations of the warp, though due to the nature of their psyches and the deep way in which they experience emotions, when such psykers do fall victim to these dangers, it is even more catastrophic. If they use either a Minor Psychic Power or a power from the Runes of Battle Discipline, an Asuryani psyker may choose to reroll up to one 1 on the Wrath Dice in any Psychic test they make. However, should such a psyker still suffer a Perils of the Warp, they must roll two dice and keep the highest result for the first digit of the d66 roll (see page 48).

This entry is implying two different things:
1. Cited ability to reroll one Wrath Dice is a result of thorough training and as such belongs to Warlock archetype (and maybe to others Aeldari psyker archetypes we would have later). I belive such info belongs to Archetype entry though, but it's reasonable.
2. Still, this text said: "Aeldari psykers are thus resistant to the predations of the warp", implying it should be a thing for Corsairs (and, by the way, Dark Eldars, Harlequins and Exodites) as well.
Even more of that, description of problems with Perils is implying that this problem is linked to Aeldari psychophysiology.
So, how it's supposed to work?

(and I'd still like to hear official clarification about Smite, please)
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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Aenno » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:59 am

Want to know official answer still...

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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby quindraco » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:00 am

I struggled a bit with understanding your post, but I want to make sure I do:

You're basically asking if this rule is really intended to be on the Asuryani keyword, or whether it should instead be attached to Aeldari or Warlock, right? That is, presumably one of the three blocks below is actually correct, instead of the given block, depending on whether the ability is intrinsic to all Eldar, cultural to only the Asuryani, or the result of the formal training Warlocks, Farseers, Spiritseers, and Bonesingers receive:

The Aeldari have practiced and honed their psychic abilities for aeons, and they are know well the dangers that lurk within the esoteric plane from which the energies that power them flow. Aeldari psykers are thus resistant to the predations of the warp, though due to the nature of their psyches and the deep way in which they experience emotions, when such psykers do fall victim to these dangers, it is even more catastrophic. If they use either a Minor Psychic Power or a power from the Runes of Battle Discipline, an Aeldari psyker may choose to reroll up to one 1 on the Wrath Dice in any Psychic test they make. However, should such a psyker still suffer a Perils of the Warp, they must roll two dice and keep the highest result for the first digit of the d66 roll (see page 48).


The Asuryani have practiced and honed their psychic abilities for aeons, and they are know well the dangers that lurk within the esoteric plane from which the energies that power them flow. Asuryani psykers are thus resistant to the predations of the warp, though due to the nature of their psyches and the deep way in which they experience emotions, when such psykers do fall victim to these dangers, it is even more catastrophic. If they use either a Minor Psychic Power or a power from the Runes of Battle Discipline, an Asuryani psyker may choose to reroll up to one 1 on the Wrath Dice in any Psychic test they make. However, should such a psyker still suffer a Perils of the Warp, they must roll two dice and keep the highest result for the first digit of the d66 roll (see page 48).


The Asuryani have practiced and honed their psychic abilities for aeons, and they are know well the dangers that lurk within the esoteric plane from which the energies that power them flow. Trained Asuryani psykers are thus resistant to the predations of the warp, though due to the nature of their psyches and the deep way in which they experience emotions, when such psykers do fall victim to these dangers, it is even more catastrophic. If they use either a Minor Psychic Power or a power from the Runes of Battle Discipline, an Asuryani psyker whose Archetype grants the Psyker keyword may choose to reroll up to one 1 on the Wrath Dice in any Psychic test they make. However, should such a psyker still suffer a Perils of the Warp, they must roll two dice and keep the highest result for the first digit of the d66 roll (see page 48).

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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Aenno » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:22 am

Sorry for being unclear.

Yes, you got it right, and I believe it's very, very important because Psychosensitive racial trait.
I just want to notice that this block in Core using Asurani keyword ("The Asuryani have practiced and honed their psychic abilities for aeons", "an Asuryani psyker may choose to reroll up to one 1 on the Wrath Dice in any Psychic test they make"), and Aeldari one ("Aeldari psykers are thus resistant to the predations of the warp, though due to the nature of their psyches and the deep way in which they experience emotions it is even more catastrophic.").
So what's is it, racial trait, cultural trait, or specialised training trait?
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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Verispex » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:14 pm

One entry that may have been overlooked is in the Eldar racial framework on page 90. "Psychosensitive: All Eldar may purchase 1 Minor Psychic Power if they also purchase the Psychic Mastery skill. This purchase also gives them the Psyker keyword. In addition, the Tier Restriction for Maximum Psychic Powers for Eldar Characters is increased by 1 to accommodate this purchase."

I would say all Aeldari (Eldar) with psychic powers are covered by this, so if you excersize the above option (since it says may, not must) then you fall under this rule when using the appropriate psychic powers.

As for Smite, here's what I have seen. If you excersize the option above, it is not included for free. Also, you do not get it if you use an <Any> keyword to gain the Psyker keyword (Page 102 "The <Any> keyword may be selected as Psyker, meaning the character may purchase the Psychic Mastery skill and psychic powers (see page 346), but the character does not gain any starting powers (not even smite!) or rating in the Psychic Mastery skill."

You get Smite for Free if you A) Take Psychic Revelations as an Ascension Pack (Chart on page 78/the listing on page 200), B) Take the Human archtype Sanctioned Psycker (Page 126) "Psyker: A Sanctioned Psyker begins play with one minor psychic power and the smite psychic power. They may purchase additional Minor Psychic Powers and Universal Psychic powers, subject to Tier restrictions.", C) Human Archtype of Rogue Psyker (Page 143) "Psyker: A Rogue Psyker begins play with one Minor Psychic Power, the smite power, and may purchase additional Minor Psychic Powers, Universal Psychic powers, and Maleficarum Psychic Powers subject to Tier restrictions.", or D) Eldar Archtype of Warlock (Page 149) "Runes of Battle: A Warlock begins play with the Psyniscience and smite psychic powers (these do not count towards the maximum), and may purchase additional Minor Psychic Powers, Universal Psychic Powers, and Runes of Battle Psychic Powers, subject to Tier restrictions."

Keep in mind though that Smite does not count towards your maximum total per page 185 "Characters are limited to a maximum number of psychic powers based upon their Tier (see Table 3-21: Psychic Powers by Tier). The smite psychic power and abilities such as Deny the Witch (see page 348) are not included for purposes of the maximum total."

The two exceptions above is why they keep saying "Most characters with the psyker keyword possess the smite power." (Ex. Page 352) but not all because there are a coule of ways to get the Psyker tag and not get the Smite ability with it. So if it's included, it costs 0 buld points, but if you use either of the exceptions above to get the Psyker keyword without Smite being included, it does cost 10 BPs to buy it.

Does this help clear things up?

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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby CorwynNiTessine » Mon Oct 22, 2018 4:13 pm

Verispex wrote:One entry that may have been overlooked is in the Eldar racial framework on page 90. "Psychosensitive: All Eldar may purchase 1 Minor Psychic Power if they also purchase the Psychic Mastery skill. This purchase also gives them the Psyker keyword. In addition, the Tier Restriction for Maximum Psychic Powers for Eldar Characters is increased by 1 to accommodate this purchase."

I would say all Aeldari (Eldar) with psychic powers are covered by this, so if you excersize the above option (since it says may, not must) then you fall under this rule when using the appropriate psychic powers.

Do you mind updating the "Rules Clarifications" thread with this clarification?

Also, you mentioned "since it says may, not must". However, the way I read the quote is that you get the Psyker keyword if you purchase the Psychic Mastery skill, not if you purchase 1 Minor power.

page 90 wrote:...if they also purchase the Psychic Mastery skill. This purchase also gives them the Psyker keyword.

Do you mind confirming that as well? The reason that this is important is because for Ascending characters you might purchase Psychic Mastery when you build the base character but might delay purchasing psychic powers till the actual ascension part.

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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Aenno » Wed Oct 24, 2018 5:11 pm

Verispex wrote:Does this help clear things up?

Thanks for clarification.
Two more questions:
1. Can Aeldari psyker through Psychosensitive take Runes of Battle discipline powers?
2. Does Smite counts as Minor Psychic Power (and therefore allow Aeldari psyker reroll one 1 on Wrath dice)?
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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Verispex » Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:57 pm

Aenno wrote:
Verispex wrote:Does this help clear things up?

Thanks for clarification.
Two more questions:
1. Can Aeldari psyker through Psychosensitive take Runes of Battle discipline powers?
2. Does Smite counts as Minor Psychic Power (and therefore allow Aeldari psyker reroll one 1 on Wrath dice)?


1) No, Psychosensitive specifically says minor power (A specific catagory of psychic powers). Runes of Battle is a Major discipline.

2) As it is listed, I see it as a "uncatagorized" Major power. So no again.

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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Aenno » Wed Oct 24, 2018 7:01 pm

Verispex wrote:1) No, Psychosensitive specifically says minor power (A specific catagory of psychic powers). Runes of Battle is a Major discipline.

But can't player with Psyker keyword just buy powers later within Tier limits, as listed on p. 345?
Core, p. 345 wrote:Players can purchase additional psychic powers, subject to the Tier maximums (see Table 7-4: Psychic Powers By Tier). All races and archetypes with access to the Psychic Mastery skill have access to Minor Psychic Powers, but access to the various Psychic Disciplines (see later in this Chapter) is determined by both race and character archetype (see pages 85-153).
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Re: Aeldari Psykers

Postby Verispex » Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:33 am

Later yes, but the free power that comes with Psychosensitive is a Minor one when they purchase Psychic Mastery. Then proceed as normal for other powers.
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