Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

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Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby Dyvim » Wed Jan 30, 2019 3:31 am

I've found a problem of translation in the core rules book concerning the disease "Swamp fever" page 344

It is written in the paragraph concerning damage :
Damage : 1D6 DP (ignoring PRO) and 3 levels of the condition Fear (see page 32) for the 1st day, 2D6 DP (ignoring PRO) for the 2nd day, 3D6 DP (ignoring PRO) for the 3rd day, 2D6 DP (ignoring PRO) for the 4th day, and 1D6 DP (ignoring PRO) for the 5th day. The patient suffers one level of Stupor every 3 hours. If the disease check fails, the effects are the same, but the disease ends sooner.


Problem is that the 3 levels of the fear condition does not exist in german (nor in french version which is the one I use mostly)

German version :
Schaden: Am 1. Tag 1W6 SP, am 2. Tag 2W6 SP, am dritten Tag 3W6 SP, am vierten Tag 2W6 SP und am fünften Tag 1W6 SP. Der Kranke erleidet pro 3 Stunden eine Stufe Betäubung. Am ersten Tag werden eventuell Ängste (siehe Nachteil) ausgelöst.


The 3 levels of fear makes the disease really really more nasty...

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby HEX the Dark » Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:18 am

What does "(ignoring PRO)" and why is it there? It's also not in the german part, or am I missing something?
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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby wilcoxon » Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:31 pm

Interesting discrepancy between German and English.

The "(ignoring PRO)" would mean ignoring protection (which the German version probably assumed whereas the English makes it explicit). Logically, there's no way PRO should apply to diseases. [Disclaimer: I'm going from memory and play lots of different systems so may be wrong on what PRO is in TDE]

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby Dyvim » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:30 pm

PRO is effectively protection and should not be applied against a disease.
In fact it is mentionned in german, because they don't use only DP dammage points but two terms :
- SP schadenpunkte (wound points) that are directly substracted to your life points
- TP trefferpunkte (impact points) against which you can oppose your protection
This nuance is not in the english rules...

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby bluedragon7 » Wed Feb 06, 2019 2:08 am

A direct translation of Trefferpunkte would be hit points, which would have a different meaning to gamers in the US (or from elsewhere but having grown up using US RPGs) the difference between to hit vs to be hit.
Without that distinction you actually need to specify when to ignore PRO.

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby MadBeard » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:37 pm

Quite interesting how mistake this big happened. It's not a typo, but whole description is different.
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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby wilcoxon » Sun Feb 10, 2019 1:12 pm

bluedragon, thanks for the translation. I can see why they avoided using "hit points" and "wound points" in English as those have distinct connotations to a lot of English gamers. For the English market, using one term (DP) and adding "(ignoring PRO)" works better.

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby Morgoth » Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:04 pm

So did we ever get an answer? Does the disease cause 3 Levels of Fear or not?

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby tempest13 » Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:28 am

Based on the 4th edition version we get off light. In that version you doubled all negative abilities and your constitution dropped to 0 while you had the disease. You also ran a 10% chance that up to 2 of your negative abilities increased by 1d6 each. The description mentions hallucinations and panic so the fear is warranted but honestly unneeded as you attain a level of stupor every 3 hours and will be incapacitated after 12 hours anyway.

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Re: Mistranslation in Core Rules (Disease "Swamp Fever" p. 344)

Postby vendolis » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:12 pm

Yes this is riddled with mistakes. As it was posted with the Errata for the core rules we reintroduce the "Schadenspunkte" again in TDE. This will be marked as sDP (suffered Damage Points) and is equivalent to the "DP (ignoring PRO)" which lead to some weird translation errors.

The correct entry for this should be:

Swamp Fever (or Brabak Sweat)
Level: 3
Progress: Swamp fever, also known as Brabak sweat, causes hallucinations, panic, and then, after a few hours of restless half-sleep, fever attacks which peak on the third day and then begin to wane. The patient remains unconscious most of the time.
Resistance: Toughness
Incubation Time: 1 day
Damage : 1D6 sDP for the 1st day, 2D6 sDP for the 2nd day, 3D6 sDP for the 3rd day, 2D6 sDP for the 4th day, and 1D6 sDP for the 5th day. The patient suffers one level of Stupor every 3 hours. On the first day possible Fears can be triggered (see Disadvantage 'Afraid of..', p. 170)
Note: Yes, the patient still suffers the same damage each day if the disease check fails, but the disease goes away sooner, which means less damage is suffered overall.

Duration: 5 days/3 days
Cause: Bites from pests (1 on 1D20, or 5%), mosquito bites (1 on 1D20, or 5%), providing care for someone who is infected (1 on 1D20, or 5%).
Special: A character can contract swamp fever only once in a lifetime. After that, the character gains the advantage Immunity (Swamp Fever) for free.
Treatment: Bedrest and caring for the fever (1 sDP less per day).
Cure: Chew fresh (or dried and soaked) donf stalks (lessens duration by 2 days).


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